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Good Times, Sad Films
The better my life gets, the less time I find to write a coherent blog post about how well things are going.
Last weekend, I was at this, which I discussed more at length in my other blog (and seriously, even if you don't read that, read the speech here). There was also this, which I only saw a bit of, but it was fun, and the resulting photos were good:

That's myself and DJ. The immediate reaction of Michelle (and Tara) was that we looked like certain muppets. I'll accept that.
Other stuff: Went on a lot of good dates, watched 5 Centimeters Per Second (good, and pretty, but a little sad) and saw Incendies with Film Club (sadder than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be sad; still a well-crafted film), worked on v1s and v2s bouldering, attended an annual Olin alumni event and caught up with some old friends, continued to be overwhelmed by Google-ness, and stumbled home after dawn.
Enjoying the weather and very much looking forward to summer.
Last weekend, I was at this, which I discussed more at length in my other blog (and seriously, even if you don't read that, read the speech here). There was also this, which I only saw a bit of, but it was fun, and the resulting photos were good:

That's myself and DJ. The immediate reaction of Michelle (and Tara) was that we looked like certain muppets. I'll accept that.
Other stuff: Went on a lot of good dates, watched 5 Centimeters Per Second (good, and pretty, but a little sad) and saw Incendies with Film Club (sadder than I thought it would be, and I thought it would be sad; still a well-crafted film), worked on v1s and v2s bouldering, attended an annual Olin alumni event and caught up with some old friends, continued to be overwhelmed by Google-ness, and stumbled home after dawn.
Enjoying the weather and very much looking forward to summer.
Feminist walks
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/slut_walk_feminist_folly_6wtwkoKdY0RgRtGfWTe47H
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42927752/ns/us_news-life/t/cops-rape-comment-sparks-wave-slutwalks/
My opinion on it is it's a good intent. The cop's comment that spawned this all was a very disrespectful comment (though it may have some truth to it but that doesn't matter).
It's just a bad way to protest. When you protest in weird ways like that, people may be for your cause but they don't want to associate with you because of the way you're protesting. People who would otherwise be captivated by your movement are turned off by it and may choose not to participate because of that (or not listen to/take seriously).
Not to mention some of the people at these walks are wearing not that much clothing. And I'm totally against people doing that in public. Kid's should not have to witness that and they might end up because you're walking out on the street after all.
But it's a very good cause.
Speaking of which, you should sign this petition on Change.org: Tell Silsbee High School to Apologize for Treatment of Rape Victim - girl was on cheerleading team and she would cheer for the whole team but she refused to cheer for her rapist by name when he scored a goal.
"School officials also pushed H.S. 'to keep a low profile, such as avoiding the school cafeteria and not taking part in homecoming activities.'"
She didn't do what she was told and got kicked off the team.
http://www.change.org/petitions/tell-silsbee-high-school-to-apologize-for-treatment-of-rape-victim
Here's my change.org profile btw where you can see what other petitions I've signed:
http://www.change.org/members/solomonsucceeds
Re: Feminist walks
First, there are advantages to such a visible approach: It gets people to participate who wouldn't otherwise, and it gets far more attention. I'd argue that those outweigh the disadvantages of being "weird".
Second, I wonder if that argument is so much concern trolling. Not exactly in your case; I don't doubt that your agreement with the protesters' cause is sincere. But I think that your argument here may stem more from your admitted discomfort with the actions (or just the clothes?) of the protesters than any actual evidence that a "weird" protest will be less effective in influencing people's opinion/attention in a desirable way.
Not to mention some of the people at these walks are wearing not that much clothing. And I'm totally against people doing that in public. Kid's should not have to witness that and they might end up because you're walking out on the street after all.
(An apostrophe does not mean, "Look out, here comes the 's'!")
I can't speak for what was beyond my view at the march, but I didn't see any people dressed in clothes more revealing than what one might see on a public beach, and I didn't see any pornographic or otherwise obscene content. I've seen significantly more "shocking" outfits worn in public by people who, nonetheless, still remained well within the bounds of the law.
Actually, I'm surprised your concern is about clothes and is not the more typical concern about signs. As for the latter: I don't think public speech about sex in the abstract is harmful to children, and I think that parents would do better talking to their children in response to such content instead of trying to shield their child's eyes and ears or urging restraint for those who wish to say such things in public in general.
Suggesting that skimpy clothing is inherently harmful to children is just silly. Unless, perhaps, you think the implied message is "you should dress like this". For those seeing the protest in person, I think it was pretty clear that the message was not that, though I'll admit the photos showcased in the media were more skewed. I would argue that's a preexisting problem with the media that would not have been mitigated by the absence of this protest.
Re: Feminist walks
And yeah, if I had a kid, and they saw that going on on the street, it wouldn't be the end of the world. I would just talk to my kid about what they just saw and tell them not to use the words written on signs. (I'm not quite sure what I would say though.)
As for my point that the protests being weird might deter people from joining the movement, it's just a hypothesis, I never claimed I had any evidence.
The closest thing I can come up with to evidence is this (from nypost.com):
"No wonder a 2008 Daily Beast poll found that just 20 percent of women call themselves 'feminists,' and only 17 percent would want their daughters to use the label.
And… the word that they're reclaiming— it's not something to be proud of.
You should say what you mean—not what will get you publicity; you should say "Stop blaming victims for rape" and stuff like that; clarity is extremely important to me; that's why I tend to dislike poetry.
Re: Feminist walks
Like I said, I don't doubt your sincerity. But since you didn't have evidence for your views, it's not unreasonable to question the origin of that intuition. Yes, I'm being a bit aggressive and could be more polite. But I wanted to express why (and that) I find that argument aggravating.
I would just talk to my kid about what they just saw and tell them not to use the words written on signs. (I'm not quite sure what I would say though.)
I think there are three key pieces of context (how you express these depends on the child):
1. "Slut" is a word used generally used to insult women who the speaker thinks act in a way that is "too sexy", who are too loud/visible, who have "too much" sex or have sex "too easily", or who have or talk about sex in a way the speaker doesn't approve of (in some cases, at all).
2. Bullies (including adult bullies) can be quite flexible with what insulting words mean. The point is to hurt or silence.
3. Taking on a label for yourself is very different from labeling someone else, especially if the intent is to hurt them, silence them, or say that you know what's best for them.
4. Bullies like to set their victims against one another. Sometimes it's more important to stand together than to argue over what labels mean and who, exactly, they apply to.
And… the word that they're reclaiming— it's not something to be proud of.
As Friedman pointed out in the speech I linked to, it's a word with an awfully flexible definition, one that is often applied to behaviors that I'd view as non-objectionable or even virtuous: Valuing honesty when expressing one's desires, holding "enthusiastic consent" as the standard in sexual relationships (and relationships in general), promoting sexual education and safer sex practices. People have been called "sluts" for all of those and more.
Now, as someone who cares about safer sex and sex education, I am certainly not going to say that having sex is a good thing to do for everyone in all contexts. People engage in sexual behavior for bad reasons or in self-destructive ways. But I don't think the marchers' message was at all opposed to that point.
You should say what you mean—not what will get you publicity; you should say "Stop blaming victims for rape" and stuff like that
The marchers did say exactly that sort of thing, clearly, repeatedly, and explicitly. There is something about ad hoc organization that prevents perfect uniformity of message, different people want to express slightly different things, and it's hard to express complex, interlinking ideas in a way that's both pithy and evocative.
But if you want a really clear expression of the march's message, read that speech I linked to. I think that explains the rhetorical framing of the march very well, it's not just about "getting publicity".
Re: Feminist walks
"No wonder 'feminism' was unpopular in 2008, if people who are feminist (but I actually have no idea how they feel about the 'feminist' label, either) are the sort of people who will be doing this sort of thing in the future"?
I can't be the only one who thinks that op-ed is a bit weak. Anyways, I found a link to that survey (PDF, linked from here). It's an internet survey with a sample size of 1003 and a margin of error of about 3%. The survey also found that 58% of respondents agreed with the statement, "Men and women are equal, there’s nothing more to it. We don’t always have the same opportunities, but when we give men and women equal chances, both succeed." And 71% agreed with, "I’d like to have a woman president — I think it would give young women someone to look up to."
Not to mention that "feminists" have taken flack for rhetoric that is pretty much the opposite in character to that criticized in the op-ed. Given the unpopularity of the "feminist" label, it's pretty much impossible for feminists to avoid criticism on tone, no matter what tone they actually take.
Fortunately, the unpopularity of the "feminist" label doesn't mean the movement is unsuccessful or unsupported. It's pretty common to hear statements like, "I'm not a feminist, but [something strikingly in line with the objectives and views of (egalitarian) feminism]."
Personally, I think the feminist movement is in a bit of a generational crisis the last decade or two, what with the shakeups over "sex positivity", gender realism vs. blank-slate idealism, and egalitarian vs. gynocentric perspectives. But I'm pretty optimistic that feminism (as a cause) will do well in the long run, whatever the fate of the "feminist" label.
Re: Feminist walks
And I 1003 is a pretty crappy sample size. BTW, I'll admit I didn't read the entire op-ed. Probably not even a third of it. Please don't get mad at me for that.